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In an effort to figure out which
was the 'real' SB2116 and also what exactly the other car was,
I sent an email to the seller:
My initial message to
the Seller:
Hello,
Lotus factory record of the production of Lotus Seven SB2116
indicates a different car than that which you offer. Furthermore,
I have spoken with a Lotus Seven owner (registered) who bought
Lotus Seven SB2116 in England in 1969, and who still owns it.
Since I would not like to form a definite opinion without hearing
your story, may I ask what leads you to believe that your car
is SB2116?
It seems to me
that your listing ought to be updated to reflect the question
surrounding the serial number
Ed McCarroll's reply:
Mr. Donohoe,
My car has been placed on auction honestly with the absolute
belief that the ID numbers are authentic and legitimate. The
documentation that came with the car shows records that relate
to the car as far back as 1982/3. If you can track down any problems
I will be delighted to know what they are.
In 1997 I was
contacted by a Mr.John W. Watson of the Lotus Seven Club of Great
Britain and he wanted to ask for data in order to maintain a
Seven register. I sent him what I could and he answered to say
that SB2116 was a 1966 car with a Ford 116E engine, Standard
axle, delivered to London, England. He was in a bit of a quandry
with the engine nos. and frame number and believed the car might
be later than the 1966 year.
Anyway the car
has been registered as SB2116 for any number of years before
I ever bought or saw it. This car was totally redone by Mr. Barnett.
If anything goofy happened it was long before my time. California,
Colorado, and Ohio seem perfectly happy wth the paperwork associated
with the car. All documentation from suppliers, restorers , and
others who participated in the car's restoration refer to 1967
Lotus 7. So I am selling a 1967 Lotus 7 on ebay.
If you wish to
investigate and can retrieve any information that will shed enlightenment
on this situation, I would be appreciative to hear it.
Subject: Lotus
7
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:41:44 -0400
From: "EdMcCarroll" <thistle@accesstoledo.com>
To: <johnd@bluepencil.com>
And my response:
Hello Mr McCarroll,
I watch many
auctions of "Lotus" Sevens which are not Lotus at all,
but are obvious reproductions of one kind or another - those
are easy to spot for the average Lotus Seven buyer. What got
me excited here was that you have a car which certainly appears
to be a "proper" Lotus and have the "numbers"
to prove it. Of course, there is another car claiming that number
as well... I bought my Seven for fun, but also for the history
and heritage. I would not have bought it at any price without
confirmation of its Lotus heritage.
Thank you very
much for supplying the information. Obviously if there was some
mis-registration of the car, it was before your ownership. I
hope to be able to amiably share information with you on the
question of which is the "real" SB2116, and what the
other car is! You may or may not know, that along with the Lotus
ID number plate, the genuine Lotus will have a FRAME Number,
stamped into the frame by the manufacturer of the frame, and
which does not match the Lotus ID number. The frames were manufactured
by an outside supplier who used their own numbering system. This
FRAME number is usually found stamped into the top side of a
frame tube near, or possibly under, the master cylinder bracket
at the front edge of the scuttle. The pairing of this FRAME number
along with the Lotus ID number is the generally accepted confirmation
of a genuine "Lotus" Seven.
My guess is that
both SB2116's in question are genuine Lotus Sevens, but that
one of them lost its chassis plate at some time, and had it replaced
with a number which was guessed at.
Best regards,
John Donohoe
And Ed's Reply:
John, thanks
for your assistance. I managed to borrow a digital camera and
took a few pictures. I hope these pics. give you enough insight
as to what might have happened during the restoration.
Ed's pictures
and descriptions appear on the following page...
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